adregem: (the truth is somewhere out there.)
Roland Crane ([personal profile] adregem) wrote in [community profile] voidtreckerexpress2020-12-05 05:19 pm

We're all in this train-gether 🚂

Who: OTA. If you’re a passenger with a ticket on this train, then you are most welcome here!
Where: Upper Music Car
When: Imagination 18, at around brunch.
What: Welcome to the train’s first ever community open forum. Come for the food, stay for the best discussions ever.
Warnings: Lots of top-levels for easy access to relevant topics to your characters, but apart from that, nothing right now! (Not a warning but a heads-up that one TL will be dedicated to the dissemination and discussion of the bonus trek during the last mission. For your OOC reference, please see here.)



Someway through the 18th of Imagination, an announcement for the already spoken for meeting is shared by the ICPs, giving people twenty minutes to come to the upper Music Carriage for the gathering. While the chairs mostly face the stage, they’ve been curved to allow people to face their fellow passengers too, so not to put the sole focus in one place.

This is a meeting for all, and everyone will have their chance to speak and be heard.

The promised snack table sits to one side of the room, and on the stage, the white board from the standard coach has been brought in, written on it bullet points for the planned topics. To assist in the flow of discussion, familiar moderators stand in place to help jot things down, carry conversation further should one idea end while another is ready to begin, among other such administrative tasks to organize the forum. Plus, the ICP’s are in constant use all throughout the meeting, with basic announcements about what’s being discussed now, and how more people are still welcome to catch up to the Music Car if they hear something that interests them.

Grab a plate, settle down, and let’s get to work.

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blue_ice: (silhouette)

[personal profile] blue_ice 2020-12-05 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
...it certainly sounds like you want us to disband.

[ It's not accusatory, just a tired statement of fact. ]

Maybe that's for the best. Everything changes so quickly.

[ It sounds like...regret? But he can be professional about this, he's an adult. ]
blitzcheer: (sunrise sunset wahey you go)

[personal profile] blitzcheer 2020-12-05 04:52 pm (UTC)(link)
What's wrong with asking? [ Accusing may not be Seto's intention, but it sounds like it. ]

We just wanna know what everyone wants; thought it'd be good for everyone to have a say, and for the council to hear it too. If people say no, they don't want meetings like this, then something like the council works, right?
barenakedspirit: (pic#14371188)

[personal profile] barenakedspirit 2020-12-05 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
And speaking kinda plainly here, [Galo interjects lightly, with one hand up to indicate he's talking.] I think these kinds of meetings would be to the benefit of the train. New people can come to these and be brought up to speed, see what's available from us.

Learn fast so when a mission happens they can make an informed decision. As long as we keep them up no matter who vanishes we can just keep moving. With how we kinda bounce from crisis to crisis it feels more effective to me.
10billionpercent: (I Sense A Plot)

[personal profile] 10billionpercent 2020-12-05 05:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Here’s what I think.

[Senku had planned not to say anything, because Senku is completely aware that he is rough around the edges, blunt and easily misunderstood, that’s what he has Gen for. The immediate reaction that Kaiba had sets his hackles up though and it’s not just a question of do they need or want a council, not to him.]

I’m not opposed to a council, but the truth is I don’t know what any of you are doing. At all. I can’t name a single thing. The council seems to be made up of various members for some reason, I’m not sure why you were elected to it or chosen, because it all predates me and at the moment it seems completely and utterly illogical.

[He knows this might sound mean, but he honestly isn’t trying to be. His tone is even as it ever is.]

In my opinion the council should be a way that the teams coordinate. I don’t think there is very much coordination between the teams at all, we all just run around and do our own thing and I think we’ve proven that doesn’t work because in case we hadn’t all noticed, last mission was a shitshow. It was an utter and total disaster the way that ended, people were all over the place and no one knew who was doing what, did they?

Does the council at present have a plan for something like that? Because if that went to plan, I can tell you that was horrible tactical move all around. I’m not any better, before you start, I know that. I saw an alert, I took off on my own, I did everything I did. I don’t regret it, but it wasn’t planned, and I certainly didn’t tell anyone what I was doing. [And he should have, and he knows that. In the aftermath, he’s thought about it, and he knows there’s blame for things on his own shoulders.]

I don’t know what other purpose the council could have, considering we’re all here in this community together. I think in general, the sense of community needs work, but I’ll get to that. [At least, he’s trying really hard not to get to that.] Structure-wise I think the council needs a pair of representatives that are from each team and I don’t necessarily think they should be the team leaders that way each team knows what the council is doing. Whatever it is you are doing, I’ve never heard about it in the just about three months I’ve been here.

That, alone, is a reason this needs to be discussed. [He quiets, and expects some trouble to come his way, but he has Gen to help him convey his ideas so it’ll be fine.]
enthunder: (snark ☇ I hate you so much)

[personal profile] enthunder 2020-12-05 05:40 pm (UTC)(link)
[time to interject]

This mission seemed bad. We were all there, they attacked our base camp. But past missions have been more of a shitshow. Until three missions ago, we had no healers on two teams. First mission, we didn't have a single blue team member, and the rest of us covered that after our sections. If I had a Gil for every time Red got sent to some weird spiritual realm or five hundred miles away from the rest of you, I'd have six Gil.

Point is, it seemed bad, but it was chaotic. We only had one death. If that had happened four months ago, it would have been more. Keep things in perspective.
10billionpercent: (Serious Thinking)

[personal profile] 10billionpercent 2020-12-05 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Only had one death? That's acceptable to you? That's the standard you want to set here?

I can't have perspective on something I didn't see and it used to be worse is no excuse for something being done terribly now.
enthunder: (and my thoughts got rude)

[personal profile] enthunder 2020-12-05 05:52 pm (UTC)(link)
He got himself isolated, didn't take any of our hundreds of available bottles of medicine. Yeah, it's the standard I'd want to set.
10billionpercent: (Side Glance)

[personal profile] 10billionpercent 2020-12-05 05:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Then you're a shitty leader. I'm sorry but if I ran my village like this, we wouldn't survive and that's what's going to happen here.

You're lucky people come back from the dead here. That callous opinion of leaving anyone behind being acceptable is just bullshit.
enthunder: (glare ☇ god do you hate snow)

[personal profile] enthunder 2020-12-05 06:02 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Ha! ] You think I don't hate that we're in a situation where any of us could die? I can't hold everyone's hand all the time. He's an adult, he made his own decisions to stay on the field with his injuries, and he's lucky we don't stay dead.
blue_ice: (:|)

[personal profile] blue_ice 2020-12-05 06:05 pm (UTC)(link)
Critical point: we come back as long as the train survives. Given what we saw with Halo and the Voidflash, there's a strong chance that if the Voidtrecker Express dies, we all die with it. A united front is essential.

[ Yeah, he's not helping his case any. ]

Look. You're not wrong to question us. I wasn't clear enough. If there's a chance that a more free-flowing and open distribution of responsibilities will let us unite and adapt to shifting circumstances faster, then it's the right thing to do.
longforgottenpromise: (confused)

[personal profile] longforgottenpromise 2020-12-05 06:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Please.

[You might not hold everyone's hand Lightning, but Taiki does. He reaches out towards both of them, gently.]

Please don't fight. It is terrible that anyone died but pointing fingers in blame is not going to change anything that happened. I know... I know you are just upset, Senku but...

[He looks between them.] This is not a place to be throwing accusations. Lightning is a good leader, I believe she did her best.

[He glances over to Kaiba, going silent to let him speak.]
blue_ice: (rainy day)

[personal profile] blue_ice 2020-12-05 06:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Right. We're hashing this out to keep each other safe, because we have to. I'll gladly step aside if that's what we need...I'm sorry I reacted defensively.

But we all have a common purpose here, one that's critical.
10billionpercent: (Side Glance)

[personal profile] 10billionpercent 2020-12-05 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not upset, so much as I'm disgusted that someone who's professed to be in a leadership position is okay with letting anyone get isolated and letting anyone die. That's unacceptable to me. If you're the leader you should be prepared for handholding if that's what needs to be done.

Leaders don't always ask to be leaders, but doing a poor job is no excuse. I disagree she's doing a good job if she thinks letting people die is acceptable, full stop.
blitzcheer: (yaaanhnhnho?)

[personal profile] blitzcheer 2020-12-05 06:30 pm (UTC)(link)
You think she's leaving people to die? So what, what could she've done better? Webs went into that group to heal them - Light was dealing with the other miners. She was on heals too!

What was she meant to do? Just know how every Red Team person is acting?
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eyeslikeblood: (pensive; trials of the king)

[personal profile] eyeslikeblood 2020-12-05 06:38 pm (UTC)(link)
If I may interject, perhaps the issue here might be discussed after the matter of meetings and leadership has been completed satisfactorily. Perhaps later, we can cover policies for standard life-saving equipment, or past decisions good or ill.

The argument as it stands seems to be a personal one, and is better suited for another time and place.
10billionpercent: (I Sense A Plot)

[personal profile] 10billionpercent 2020-12-05 06:41 pm (UTC)(link)
This is what I’m talking about when it comes to planning. She’s the one who said he got himself isolated, and tried to tell me only one death is okay. I fundamentally disagree with that.

Honestly, I don’t run any operation combat or otherwise where people are alone. Why aren’t we working on some kind of buddy system if nothing else? How did he get to be alone? That’s what I want people to think about. We don’t have one either, but maybe we should.

[ He blinks at the interjection. ] How is it personal?
azrthmtrnznthos: (....really?)

[personal profile] azrthmtrnznthos 2020-12-05 06:44 pm (UTC)(link)
It seems personal because you're being so blunt about it and focusing on that one point.

[Says someone with a calm and deadpan voice.]

You're not wrong about the idea of a buddy system--but how to enforce that? IF we can enforce it. People go off and do stuff on their own.
longforgottenpromise: (confused)

[personal profile] longforgottenpromise 2020-12-05 06:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Senku, Lightning didn't say it was alright that he died, she said we were lucky that more people did not... [His voice is still very soft and he is curled up next to Lord Gyousou now.] It is terrible that one person did but we don't know the situation. We don't know how he came to be alone. Battles are terrible and confusing. Maybe he was with someone and got separated at a crucial moment.

And Lightning might have not known, if she was fighting too... Even a commander can't personally know where everyone is in real time, every moment of a fight. But a buddy system is a good idea, using the SCA comms more... is a good idea... too...

[He trails off, he has no real experience or right to speak here. He just wants them to stop arguing.]
10billionpercent: (Huh?)

[personal profile] 10billionpercent 2020-12-05 06:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah. I understand. No, that’s not how I mean it. It’s…[He crosses his arms a moment, thinking of how he can word it better, so he’s not misunderstood, but ultimately sighs and gives up with a shrug.] I’m not the best with my words.

[He literally has a guy who does this for him for a reason.]

I think if people felt like they wanted to cooperate more, you wouldn’t see resistance to that. It would be nicer if people were working together in general.
fun_thementalist: (manga - innocent 2)

[personal profile] fun_thementalist 2020-12-05 07:51 pm (UTC)(link)
[ Gen didn't speak for Senku, though, and certainly he had a point to be made. Even if he hyper-focused in on the casualty. ]

[ That was a particularly sore point for Senku, and Gen didn't want to argue with that. He didn't even find it acceptable for the people actively trying to kill them to die. ]

[ But he finally spoke up; ]


Certainly, in the heat of the moment, well laid plans can go awry. No-one can fault her for doing the best she could while so many people were in battle. And with curing magic - I'm sure she saved many lives. That's extraordinary.

However, things at the outset did ... not seem well organized? And if things are chaotic before ... Ah. I keep thinking of a performance, with lots of entertainers in a venue. Eventually people need to start improvising because the audience will react differently, but if things are organized in the beginning, if people know their roles ...

Of course, no one can force anyone to do anything. And things might go pear-shaped later on. Please correct me because. I know nothing about combat, in the end! But if people have a better idea ... they're to help this person, they're to call this channel for help, maybe ...

Maybe someone even can coordinate for the leaders, too, if they're in the fight itself. A mission control, maybe!

... I think I've seen too many movies.
longforgottenpromise: (sad)

[personal profile] longforgottenpromise 2020-12-05 08:23 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes... Sorry I don't really know anything about battle or anything either. [He glances at Lord Gyousou, taking strength from his presence there.] But um.. I think those ideas are good, a mission control or command... maybe.
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[personal profile] barenakedspirit 2020-12-05 08:26 pm (UTC)(link)
You got some good ideas here! [Galo says as he glances to Gen then focuses on the group.] It's part of what I noticed that needs some work. We need everyone to know the importance of the SCA and how it functions. A guide or something when they get on board. Course that can only help so far!

Buddy system is good! I think going as far as to tell people we need some folks sitting on coms as tech support/coms could do some good too. We can look into other ways to get the word out aside from SCA network too just in case and for accessibility! I don't think repeating the equipment available bit before missions hurts either.

Anyway! [He claps his hands together.] We can go over that later and hash that out. Point is, we want to keep doing meetings like this? Do we want to keep a council? Do we want a mix? We need to figure this out so we have a structure to build up around!
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azrthmtrnznthos: (....really?)

[personal profile] azrthmtrnznthos 2020-12-05 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
One solution would be to have Council Meetings have an open section. If we keep the council, they could have two meetings on the same day--one section closed to the council where they handle things most of us wouldn't be interested in. Then another section of meeting open to anyone bringing anything up.
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[personal profile] mtsilver_conquor 2020-12-05 11:53 pm (UTC)(link)
[Eva's done her best to follow the talk - and stay out of the argument.] We have the Welcome Guide; we should at least have the leaders hand out copies to the newcomers and get them to read it, though a more detailed guide to the SCAs would be nice.

[A sigh.] Two points about the Council:

I'd strongly suggest we don't disband what we have; all of us have been here since the beginning or near enough that we've seen pretty much everything to date on the train. What we do is get some members from the other teams onto it and then go from there. I have my own ideas, sure, but that's not the point.

I'd also rather open meetings -that is we didn't try and block access to a carriage while we met- with a time people can come and ask questions.
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[personal profile] laurefindil 2020-12-06 01:36 am (UTC)(link)
[Glorfindel smiles ruefully.] I would like to try a mix, personally. I was elected to the Council, but have never attended a meeting, but I do remember being frustrated by the attitude of the person who insisted on micromanaging everything, but never did anything. And I know that Tidus and Edge were similarly frustrated by him, among others.

That said, he isn't here now to impose his opinion on us, so we can make the changes that the Passengers would prefer. I have always been in favor of open council meetings, personally. If there is a specific bit that we need to address without anyone there due to the sensitive nature of it, we can step into another space and discuss it. If there are boring bits that no one wants to hear, that would be an excellent time for those people to visit the snack table. But having an open forum is an excellent idea, because the Council is only as good as the information and input they receive.

And honestly, we are a Train full of kings, princes, rebels, scientists, leaders, followers, and everything in between. What the Council decides is only a suggestion. We really have no way to enforce anything.

I would also like to volunteer to run an Orientation Class on the day the Train docks and we bring on new passengers. It would be wonderful if there were an instructor from each team participating. I would encourage anyone, not just new passengers, to attend, as well.

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