shadowcourage: (There's always a wall)
Shadow Link (older) ([personal profile] shadowcourage) wrote in [community profile] voidtreckerexpress2021-08-10 11:04 pm

We're trying so hard to get it all right

Who: Shadow Link, Clef, selected individuals
Where: Training Gym Carriage
When: Merriment 21
What: Emotional Drama
Warnings: Very emotional arguments that involve family.

Shadow knew himself. He had to know himself. If he wanted to be more than a shadow, he had to be aware of his own shortcomings and compensate for them so he could stay on the track that was important to him.

He had known for years Clef didn't understand that. Its why he had kept him at a distance on purpose. He couldn't risk someone being close who didn't understand that.

But he supposed the danger of trying to be a person is person things happened, like emotions sneaking up on you. It was unfortunate. It just meant he had to be more aware of his own feelings. He had to keep the hurt away from his heart.

But Link and Clef have never been able to talk and....

He couldn't stand Link being hurt more.

So he had to try something.

Which is why when he finds Clef during his exploration, he decides its time to try.

"Come with me," he said flatly, in a tone that isn't likely to listen to argument.
guru_clef: (Insecure)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-18 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
"What do you mean I almost died...? Ad I am trying to understand you, but you always push back when I try!" Which was why he tried to keep his distance, because Shadow wanted it...
guru_clef: (NO!)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-19 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
"What... what do you mean! I am constantly changing how I think, that is what happens with research!"
guru_clef: (Insecure)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-19 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
"What do you mean putting.... you mean the Storms?"
guru_clef: (NO!)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-19 03:47 am (UTC)(link)
"What do you mean you... used... mind control on me? To make what point...?" So. confused. So very very confused.
guru_clef: (Dramatic)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-19 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
"I think I need you to stop and start from the beginning, you've lost me."
guru_clef: (Upset)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-19 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
"You used mind control on me to.... try to make me think you weren't real...?" That... didn't make any sense. "I didn't chose to die, I wouldn't chose to die..." Right...?
guru_clef: (Insecure)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-19 04:51 am (UTC)(link)
He rubbed at his face, trying to process all of that. If Shadow could manipulate his mind that easily... did that mean Shadow had the key to helping them protect their minds from that? Of helping them hold onto their core selves? How many years had he been looking for the answer to that exact issue? and it was close at hand this whole time, if only he had thought to ask Shadow?

Would Shadow work with him on that, teach him? How could he even ask without making things even worse between them? He wanted things to be better between them, not worse. He just didn't know how to make that happen.

"I have no recollection of that, nor does it fit what I know of myself. Why would I have given up? I..." still have so much research to do. And there was Link. Even if he was coming to realize that he... might not be needed at home anymore. At least a few stops ago on the train he had gotten to talk to the Princess and Presea and the others, had gotten to say goodbye.

Even if Link said they hadn't really been there, they had to have been. That... That he would have known if it was fake... right? Wouldn't he...?

Now for the first time, he found himself doubting.

But if that hadn't been them, then what was going on at home? What...

What was actually real? How was he supposed to know...?
guru_clef: (Insecure)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-19 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
"That is... that's how people learn, Shadow! You listen to other people and then do research and draw conclusions from the juncture of what you were told and what your research verifies. That is not a lack of faith in anyone, nor a lack of trust! It is the same as not taking what you read in a single book as the be all end all! You check many sources, collaborate them. And then yes, try to make sense of it! How are you supposed to understand something that doesn't make sense to you? You research until you understand! Until it does make sense. That is how learning works!"

"And I never said Link wasn't good enough...!" He... he just was...

Why was he the only one not allowed to be hurt? Why was he supposed to always be honest with his son but also supposed to hide how he felt? That was what made no sense. Link didn't want to be left behind but neither did Clef. At least... now he didn't. It never really bothered him before. But now he had people that if he lost...

His life had been dedicated to the princess, his students, and his studies. But had his princess been safe and just no longer needed him... Actually that had happened, before she was taken. He had seen her and Ferio less and less once she moved past what he could teach her, once her power was so much stronger than his that he was needed only for advice. And that only rarely, because Ceiphro, frankly, was peaceful. Or had been. And Ferio...

There were reasons he wanted Ferio and Link to meet. And reasons he dreaded them meeting. and they were... pretty much the same reasons. The two were so alike, would get along so well. He just knew it.

Would Link also decide he no longer needed Clef then, though...?

Clef saw him so rarely on the train as it was. Was this... this the beginning of it happening again? But this time... this time it would hurt. So much. But was it best for Link...?

If.. If he had given up, if his Will had flagged like Shadow had said.... was that why?

No... he would stay until Link decided he no longer needed him, right...? Right?

Not that it was likely to take much longer. Link... He had always wondered why Link had actually accepted him, how he could ever be good enough to be Link's father and now Link himself was questioning it...

Shadow thought he never questioned himself? He always questioned himself. Constantly. That was why he always tried so hard to be more, to be better, to be able to keep them all safe. Because he knew he wasn't doing enough, wasn't good enough. It was why he stopped letting people calling him Guru for a while, because he questioned if he still deserved the title.

"I question all the time," he said finally, softly. "If I could stop being controlled all the time, then I would have one less thing to always question myself over." He rubbed at his face, surprised to find it wet. He closed his eyes and let his hands stay over his face.

He wanted to be good enough, to be able to protect his boys and Zelda. To be able to make it up to the Knights. To know that everyone he cared about was safe and happy.

Never question himself? He was constantly aware of how inadequate he was to that task.
guru_clef: (NO!)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-19 07:57 am (UTC)(link)
"It was a book about your world! And I spoke to everyone who would speak to me from there! I would have visited as well if it was safe! If I thought I could do so without causing a flaw! We were planning a controlled trip! And again, My world, Naut, so many of the Storms, Will seems omnipresent as the driving force of everything! I've never seen any proof that there are worlds where it is not! And a fairly large body of proof for where it is! That is like saying I am presuming air is important because I breathe it! I see you and Link breathing it too, I see it in every world we have been to! Even when we needed magical help to get it, there was no denying it was crucial to survival!"

"And I was not refusing to be helped! I was trying desperately too understand, but yu two kept jumping from topic to topic from strategy to strategy so fast that every time it felt like I thought I might have a grasp on some faint understanding, it was just gone again! I kept begging that we all just sit and talk! Why couldn't we have just started from the top and just talked?! Calmly, rationally, figuring out together what was real! Why was I unwilling to listen or bad or whatever it was you thought I was just because I was still trapped? I WAS TRYING TA UNDERSTAND AN NEITHER OF YA COULD GIVE ME TWO WHOLE SECONDS TA JUS THINK!"

He winced. He had been doing so much better about his temper, and his accent. He was mad at himself for letting both slip. Link said it, he was supposed to be the father. And Shadow had made it clear to him that his own temper was not allowed, needed to be shoved to the side if he wanted to be a good father.

He was TRYING to learn. He was trying his hardest. That his best wasn't enough was a yet. He could always improve. He was trying to improve. He was studying as hard as he could. But none of the books helped with any of this!

"I NEVER CHOSE TO JUST GIVE UP AND DIE..." Well accent was under control. But the temper...

He struggled to pull it in, to try and shove his anger away where it wouldn't hurt Shadow. Or Link. "I am trying to learn! And I do question everything! But there are only so many minutes in each hour! Trust me, if I had a spell that let me follow every question and study every subject all at once all the time, do you think for a moment I wouldn't use it!? I AM TRYING!"

But everyone kept expecting him to learn faster, to be there already. Learning, proper learning took time. An unimportant skill could take easily a hundred years to gain a firm understanding. Important ones, like how to be a good father, how to fight the mind control.... those... it made sense for them to take longer! He'd been alone for centuries for the most part. He'd had his new family for less than a decade. But they expected him to have figured everything out by now! Learning didn't happen that fast! Not with things that mattered, especially! And right now nothing mattered more than Link, Shadow, Zelda, and learning how to protect and be there for all of them!

All he ever asked of Link was that he try, that he not give up. Clef himself was trying. But somehow that was never what anyone seemed to want of him. He knew how to study. He was very good at it. It was one of the few things he was confident at. He knew how to learn. And it took time, magic bless it!
guru_clef: (NO!)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-19 08:50 am (UTC)(link)
He had started to gather his reply, his points, what he was going to say as he listened until what Shadow said about not needing to breath knocked the rest away for a moment. He had to fight with his natural intellectual curiosity which became absorbed in wondering not only how that worked, but how it could be magically replicated. Because this was not the time. But it was fascinating. There was a rather large part of him that wanted to know more.

But the rest of him, the larger part thankfully, was trying very hard to focus on Shadow and what Shadow was saying. "Of course I want to do better! to overcome my flaws! I know I have flaws, everyone does. Why do you think I have been studying so hard on how to protect all of us from mind control?! I know it is one of my weakest points! But I can't just find a solution that only works for me. I need... I have to find a way to protect all of us. Keep us all safe!"

"What do you mean I have never respected your opinion? I have worked so hard, am still working so hard to reshape how I talk and react based on WHAT YOU SAID TO ME! I have tried many times to get to know you! I want to know you!" He looked right at him, desperation in his eyes. "Just because I see you differently than you see yourself does not mean I do not see you, Shadow! I am sure you see me differently than how I see me, we both see Link differently from how he sees himself and differently from how each other sees him! That doesn't make any of the views invalid! And it does not mean I am not desperately trying to get to know you!"

He took a deep breath. He had to say this now, he might never be given another chance. "You made it clear you wanted me to keep my distance, so I have been doing my best to do that, to wait until you WANTED to talk to me. I have been trying this whole time to respect your wishes. So what does that leave me to see? What Zelda and Link say about you, and how you are with them when we're all together! How often you push yourself for their sakes, push aside what you want, for them. You even just said now that you're here to help Link! So why are you so surprised that I see you as a good brother to him and a good person!? You said you wanted to care for me, that is what I wanted too! I have been doing my best to do what you have made it clear you want because I WAS LISTENING!"
guru_clef: (NO!)

[personal profile] guru_clef 2021-10-21 10:01 am (UTC)(link)
"Of course I asked Zelda! And I do know how you see yourself, or I thought I did! That's what has me so worried! But what you are doesn't matter as much as WHO you are, Shadow. Yes, maybe I thought you needed to breathe too, but it's not like that's the kind of thing people ask each other!"

Why did people keep accusing him of having an ego?! There was nothing wrong with understanding his own abilities and power and his own worth! But that didn't mean he saw things the way Shadow said he did! No more than anyone else, anyway! "I never said everything had to be about me, not once! And everyone has thoughts they don't like and argue with themselves! Why should I have thought that was manipulation? By questioning we learn and grow! And I am as allowed to be upset as anyone, aren't I? I work so hard to keep my temper in check, but now I'm not allowed to be upset at all? How is that any kind of reasonable!?"